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What i always want to see when i view cars on air like in this thread is Ride Height pictures. Of course they all look great sitting on the ground, but driving around is also important.
What i seem to observe often with bags is it seems to be a compromise- you get an inch or two lower when aired out (but your wheels sink in more) and then you end up an inch or so higher when aired up at a good driveable ride height (and if you had good fitment when aired out, now your wheels are poking too much at drive height).
I haven't got bags and haven't had them before, this just seems to be my observation on air ride cars i see in photos and around the place. but then again, you just don't see many bagged cars rolling, it is usually the 'hero shot' where they're aired right out
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I think that audi nailed the fitment when lowered and when he is driving around. tho, the fronts are kinda sunk in, a little spacer would not hurt.
I've been thinking about bags for the longest since I got my e30. But I keep hearing issues with maintenance. IDK if it's just shitty setups or just the systems themselves.
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What i seem to observe often with bags is it seems to be a compromise- you get an inch or two lower when aired out (but your wheels sink in more) and then you end up an inch or so higher when aired up at a good driveable ride height (and if you had good fitment when aired out, now your wheels are poking too much at drive height).
Yeah there is a compromise if you want to have perfect fitment when aired out. It's just a part of having independent suspension arms. There isn't really a way around it unless you change your offsets to tuck a bunch aired out and sit nice and "flush" aired up. It all depends on what you want.
Originally posted by poopin04
I've been thinking about bags for the longest since I got my e30. But I keep hearing issues with maintenance. IDK if it's just shitty setups or just the systems themselves.
It can all depended on the climate you live in and the type of management you go with. As cool as electric valves are, they can get seized from rust if you don't keep your system dry with proper maintenance. Water traps are an absolute must and you are supposed to drain your tank at least once a month so you dont get any rust in the system. Cooler northern climates will also cause more condensation entering the system.
Most of the e30's on air are on universal bags. I have yet to see anyone with the bag riders kit. The price is insane and you still have to cut and weld. As far as I know there is no "bolt on" kit available.
Originally posted by F34R
I still think bags are for show/daily.
I would rather have ORT bags than that shit.
I agree, bags are not meant for track. But this does not mean it cant be done with decent results. It all comes down to what you do with your car. Some frequently autocross and do track days and others just daily their cars and go to shows. The whole bags vs. static debate is so stupid.
I wish I was bagged sometimes, but I just don't think the e30 is the car for them. The perfect car to bag is one that tucks a lot of wheel when you lay it on the ground, so that when you air it up to drive, it doesn't look like a monster truck. Audis and Mercedes usually work quite well.
I've been working on this thing all week. At ride height, the front still tucks tire and the rear still tucks rim.
Airlift universals and Air House II's. Manual management.
For those wondering, reliability wise, what I run, manual paddle valves are about as simple as you can get. No sticky valves in winter etc.
Ride quality is that of a set of IE3's or H&R races. My front struts are damper adjustable which is nice too. I can raise the car up higher then a stock e30, or lay it on the pan.
Ride height isn't much higher then this. I can grab some pics of ride height and all the way up.
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